I can convince you why Yhwach beats Goku.

Introduction

This essay challenges the faint of retention. So if that is you, then I suggest you keep scrolling.

Personally, I scale Manga Goku to 5-D with Infinite speed & Anime Goku to 6-D with Infinite speed upto Limited Immeasurable speed & Yhwach to Low Multiversal with MFTL+ speed.

Basic things about the Almighty -

This is the full explanation, I'll just go briefly over it here-

• Yhwach knows everything about Goku's movements & actions, everything possible, before the fight starts in the present,

He has Infinite processing (neurons connecting) speed or in other words, Infinite rewrite speed with the Almighty,

• He has 0 time/instantaneous teleportation using rewrite with the Almighty,

• He can also warp the infinitesimal of possibilities that can happen in the future, overwriting it with the present reality.

What do you mean by the last point?

Basically, “Everything possible, he can conjure that event, however everything impossible he can't.”

Now, no, Yhwach cannot suddenly make his opponent turn into orange or lemon or fruit juice using the Almighty, that is an impossible event, however, if his opponent has shown to be ‘possibly’ be off-guard as in lower his guard in the near/distant future, he can conjure/overwrite that possibility with the present reality. This is the essence of the “Almighty”.

Lastly, Yhwach too has some sort of Limited Immeasurable (attack) speed, like Anime Goku, because of the Almighty.

Using the Almighty, Yhwach's attacks have already landed/already striked in the future, without even being thrown in the present.

This is how he broke Ichigo’s true bankai-

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He didn't move from his place, nor did he physically break the bankai in present, rather he saw the futures, then the instant he wanted to, he destroyed Ichigo’s bankai in all the distant futures by snapping/attacking it in the future itself through the Almighty, without ever throwing any attack in the present.

He just spontaneously attacked it & broke it in the future, due to which the moment Ichigo unleashes his True Bankai in the present it breaks immediately, Yhwach's attack has landed already/struck already in the future, making it impossible to dodge it.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-21d6093a984659d72a225c10163799cb

Ichigo’s bankai being attacked in the future itself thus broke immediately in the present.

“But Hit can Attack in the future too, & Goku beat him?”

In the Manga, Hit's Ki based ability of Timeskip/Timestop has a noticeable weakness, it stops working efficiently against more powerful opponents- the timestop & consequently timeskip keeps decreasing in duration against stronger opponents.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a9cfe65cb033b805213692290e360f7b

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It's rather a weakness of Hit's Hax than any speed or related argument for Goku.

However, in the Anime, this Whis explanation is omitted + SSB Kaioken Goku attacked Hit while he was time skipping in the future, and he was also forcing his way into the future- an Immeasurable combat speed feat,

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8c4f492bae15cb251c2dfa9db00b99ee

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Limited only in the sense cause true Immeasurable speed characters are capable of moving anywhere in the time axis - through past & future, which Goku lacks feats of + the whole “going beyond linear time” shtick is grossly inconsistent & is never ever brought up ever again in the story.

However, you can argue that Yhwach’s attack speed is deeper into Immeasurable than Anime Goku (due to as opposed to Hit’s mere 0.1 seconds time sheningans, Yhwach'sdistant future 1000 years time sheningans due to which he should be able to theoretically attack his opponent in the future upto this time interval - intervene with his opponent's future 1000 years from the present moment, right at the present moment due to Soul King version of the Almighty - though he never uses this due to PIS/Plot induced stupidity)

(To elaborate on this, basically Yhwach foresaw Ichibe's Death a 1000 years ago as he comments before the battle even starts how Ichibe is going to die 3 steps before his initial position, all this while he hasn't even unlocked his Almighty in the present since the past 1000 years + Soul King version of Almighty allows him to intervene/rewrite with all the distant future he sees/& thus he should also be able to theoretically attack in the distant future)

Yhwach's Wincons

Most Dragon Ball characters, their natural durability isn’t that high.

For example, Saiyans, their biological durability is just equal to a regular saiyan (who have still higher durability than an average human, due to living on planet Vegeta, where gravity is 10× of Earth)

It’s just that they reinforce their bodies with Ki that gives them that otherworldy durability.

1- Now, DB characters control & lower their energy/Ki at all times - to conserve their energy as well as not cause collateral damage while fighting, this Ki control being so potent that characters even while being bloodlusted do not lose it.

Even a bloodlusted, enraged SSB goku does not lose ki control

Yhwach with his limited immeasurable speed attacks (attack already landed in the distant future without being thrown in present) can just surprise attack Manga Goku in the future from the present (even works in SSG, SSJB, MUI) & then it’s lights out.

2- Goku not even an infinitesimal time but often times gets off guard, mid-fight, Yhwach doesn’t even need to find the infinitesimal possible futures, already billions of possible futures where Goku “can” get off guard/lower his guard in the distant future, he warps any of that future to the current reality, thereafter decimating him.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-addffd3f92d166b980598f175ff1d2a2

Anime (Mid-fight)-

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9d2294a0d2f9e3a151991576db0e8b9d

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SSB (RoF Movie)-

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-197ecfd3cea8376b6281de5599b14df4

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https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-95b33281f9f009153e4a9fc0851a23d1

Tournament of Power -

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-41c5e0f96cb887324c1210856864a24b

Off-guard is not just limited to Goku, any & all DB Characters can be caught off-guard in some (which would be trillions in number) of the infinite possible futures that branch out from a single moment.

2.1 - But what about Ultra Instinct? It is auto dodge without thinking, so there isn’t really any possible future where Goku is off guard in UI?

UI is simply bypassing the nervous systems lag time from your brain to your limbs.

The UI user still needs to do the “brain” part as in register a threat/sense you as a threat so if you bypass or circumvent that it’s a wrap.

Whis, who’s literally master of UI & constantly in it was “hit” by something (poop) he didn’t sense was there OR register as a threat.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-920edba4147a94439111d64f7c048791

Yhwach pulls up a Limited Immeasurable speed Attack (which would bypass UI as Goku won’t be able to even register the attack/the attack isn’t being thrown at the present, it has already landed in the future) + Non-sensable attack (Yhwach’s attacks through Almighty cannot be sensed even by subconsicous Energy sensing, something which all in Bleach have - which makes sense, considering the attack already landed in the distant future & is not being thrown in the present)

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on MUI/TUI Goku, at his vital points (like Granolah, which Yhwach already knows through Almighty) thereafter decimating him.

3 - Even if we assume a 0 morals, rabid dog like mindset goku, Yhwach can just dodge every attack he throws & every move he makes using Almighty (Infinite processing speed & 0 time Teleportation) & tire/drain him long enough, before ultimately killing him by attacking him in the future at his vital organs.

Conclusion

Manga Goku 100% loses to Yhwach

Anime Goku is inconclusive if you buy Limited Immeasurable speed arguments for him (which Yhwach too has) & it now depends on who's deeper into Immeasurable speed, if you don't buy Immeasurable speed arguments for both then Yhwach wins again.

Miscellaneous

Acausality Type 4 is useless without mentioned resistances + after Absorbing Mimihagi (who's future can't be seen), Yhwach can also rewrite his own future - SK Yhwach's Almighty can thus bypass Precognition Resistance (not that it matters here anyways)

About Hax Negation in both series, it's rather extremely inconsistent & doesn't apply to all haxs, unless weakness of a certain Hax

To give a few good examples, Master Roshi Mafuba worked on Base Super Goku level opponents (Massively stronger than him, Solar System Level Vs Low Complex Multiversal level) & Tsukishima's Book of End worked on Soul King Yhwach, despite again the comical Stat difference (Country level Vs Low Multiversal Level)

Some may also argue how Goku is deeper into Infinite speed than Yhwach (via SSG Goku Macrocosm encompassing Ball, Afterlife being Infinite holding Heaven, which is also infinite)

Thing is, infinite speed, no matter how deep into it, is still infinite speed only unless higher infinities (uncountable infinities) are involved.

What you're suggesting here with Infinite Afterlife holding an Infinite Universe (Heaven) - the cardinality of this particular set is just ℵ0*ℵ0.

A higher degree of Infinity would be ℵ0ℵ0.

Some may also suggest how Goku moving in Zeno erased timeline = Inaccessible Speed, which is again wrong. In erased timeline, time simply does not exist, it does not mean that time is 0, both are different things.

In Zeno's erased timeline, Time = not applicable/non-existent & hence Speed = Distance/time = Undefined & thus is non-speed applicable (best it gives you is some Limited Resistance to Time Manipulation)

Vsbw also has an explanation for this here-

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dc910ef9d232e96b275aca44972fae03

Lastly, Here's a post debunking almost all misconceptions about the Almighty-

https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/1icah6w/debunking_misconceptions_about_the_almighty/

That's it. Have a good day.

Introduction

This essay challenges the faint of retention. So if that is you, then I suggest you keep scrolling.

Personally, I scale Manga Goku to 5-D with Infinite speed & Anime Goku to 6-D with Infinite speed upto Limited Immeasurable speed & Yhwach to Low Multiversal with MFTL+ speed.

Basic things about the Almighty -

This is the full explanation, I'll just go briefly over it here-

• Yhwach knows everything about Goku's movements & actions, everything possible, before the fight starts in the present,

He has Infinite processing (neurons connecting) speed or in other words, Infinite rewrite speed with the Almighty,

• He has 0 time/instantaneous teleportation using rewrite with the Almighty,

• He can also warp the infinitesimal of possibilities that can happen in the future, overwriting it with the present reality.

What do you mean by the last point?

Basically, “Everything possible, he can conjure that event, however everything impossible he can't.”

Now, no, Yhwach cannot suddenly make his opponent turn into orange or lemon or fruit juice using the Almighty, that is an impossible event, however, if his opponent has shown to be ‘possibly’ be off-guard as in lower his guard in the near/distant future, he can conjure/overwrite that possibility with the present reality. This is the essence of the “Almighty”.

Lastly, Yhwach too has some sort of Limited Immeasurable (attack) speed, like Anime Goku, because of the Almighty.

Using the Almighty, Yhwach's attacks have already landed/already striked in the future, without even being thrown in the present.

This is how he broke Ichigo’s true bankai-

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3c2a28d44a7bf71658534fb346a4632a

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-98eae4e42e7b1b82a2a8720b7c52b0e4

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He didn't move from his place, nor did he physically break the bankai in present, rather he saw the futures, then the instant he wanted to, he destroyed Ichigo’s bankai in all the distant futures by snapping/attacking it in the future itself through the Almighty, without ever throwing any attack in the present.

He just spontaneously attacked it & broke it in the future, due to which the moment Ichigo unleashes his True Bankai in the present it breaks immediately, Yhwach's attack has landed already/struck already in the future, making it impossible to dodge it.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-21d6093a984659d72a225c10163799cb

Ichigo’s bankai being attacked in the future itself thus broke immediately in the present.

“But Hit can Attack in the future too, & Goku beat him?”

In the Manga, Hit's Ki based ability of Timeskip/Timestop has a noticeable weakness, it stops working efficiently against more powerful opponents- the timestop & consequently timeskip keeps decreasing in duration against stronger opponents.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a9cfe65cb033b805213692290e360f7b

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-01943dcc055c6568e70b8e4dc0c59a0e

It's rather a weakness of Hit's Hax than any speed or related argument for Goku.

However, in the Anime, this Whis explanation is omitted + SSB Kaioken Goku attacked Hit while he was time skipping in the future, and he was also forcing his way into the future- an Immeasurable combat speed feat,

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8c4f492bae15cb251c2dfa9db00b99ee

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a4b1c689499a0f24aa7508f5a44b24d0

Limited only in the sense cause true Immeasurable speed characters are capable of moving anywhere in the time axis - through past & future, which Goku lacks feats of + the whole “going beyond linear time” shtick is grossly inconsistent & is never ever brought up ever again in the story.

However, you can argue that Yhwach’s attack speed is deeper into Immeasurable than Anime Goku (due to as opposed to Hit’s mere 0.1 seconds time sheningans, Yhwach'sdistant future 1000 years time sheningans due to which he should be able to theoretically attack his opponent in the future upto this time interval - intervene with his opponent's future 1000 years from the present moment, right at the present moment due to Soul King version of the Almighty - though he never uses this due to PIS/Plot induced stupidity)

(To elaborate on this, basically Yhwach foresaw Ichibe's Death a 1000 years ago as he comments before the battle even starts how Ichibe is going to die 3 steps before his initial position, all this while he hasn't even unlocked his Almighty in the present since the past 1000 years + Soul King version of Almighty allows him to intervene/rewrite with all the distant future he sees/& thus he should also be able to theoretically attack in the distant future)

Yhwach's Wincons

Most Dragon Ball characters, their natural durability isn’t that high.

For example, Saiyans, their biological durability is just equal to a regular saiyan (who have still higher durability than an average human, due to living on planet Vegeta, where gravity is 10× of Earth)

It’s just that they reinforce their bodies with Ki that gives them that otherworldy durability.

1- Now, DB characters control & lower their energy/Ki at all times - to conserve their energy as well as not cause collateral damage while fighting, this Ki control being so potent that characters even while being bloodlusted do not lose it.

Even a bloodlusted, enraged SSB goku does not lose ki control

Yhwach with his limited immeasurable speed attacks (attack already landed in the distant future without being thrown in present) can just surprise attack Manga Goku in the future from the present (even works in SSG, SSJB, MUI) & then it’s lights out.

2- Goku not even an infinitesimal time but often times gets off guard, mid-fight, Yhwach doesn’t even need to find the infinitesimal possible futures, already billions of possible futures where Goku “can” get off guard/lower his guard in the distant future, he warps any of that future to the current reality, thereafter decimating him.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-addffd3f92d166b980598f175ff1d2a2

Anime (Mid-fight)-

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9d2294a0d2f9e3a151991576db0e8b9d

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bc59190b5c0f0adfc812f3ae91c4334c

SSB (RoF Movie)-

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-197ecfd3cea8376b6281de5599b14df4

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-02e123e1c18188d1fc8a1148cb6a9094

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-95b33281f9f009153e4a9fc0851a23d1

Tournament of Power -

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-41c5e0f96cb887324c1210856864a24b

Off-guard is not just limited to Goku, any & all DB Characters can be caught off-guard in some (which would be trillions in number) of the infinite possible futures that branch out from a single moment.

2.1 - But what about Ultra Instinct? It is auto dodge without thinking, so there isn’t really any possible future where Goku is off guard in UI?

UI is simply bypassing the nervous systems lag time from your brain to your limbs.

The UI user still needs to do the “brain” part as in register a threat/sense you as a threat so if you bypass or circumvent that it’s a wrap.

Whis, who’s literally master of UI & constantly in it was “hit” by something (poop) he didn’t sense was there OR register as a threat.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-920edba4147a94439111d64f7c048791

Yhwach pulls up a Limited Immeasurable speed Attack (which would bypass UI as Goku won’t be able to even register the attack/the attack isn’t being thrown at the present, it has already landed in the future) + Non-sensable attack (Yhwach’s attacks through Almighty cannot be sensed even by subconsicous Energy sensing, something which all in Bleach have - which makes sense, considering the attack already landed in the distant future & is not being thrown in the present)

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4a848c6c860a2562f8fc26866c7347bd

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c4c6deb7eb39b952acd09dccde1c718a

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on MUI/TUI Goku, at his vital points (like Granolah, which Yhwach already knows through Almighty) thereafter decimating him.

3 - Even if we assume a 0 morals, rabid dog like mindset goku, Yhwach can just dodge every attack he throws & every move he makes using Almighty (Infinite processing speed & 0 time Teleportation) & tire/drain him long enough, before ultimately killing him by attacking him in the future at his vital organs.

Conclusion

Manga Goku 100% loses to Yhwach

Anime Goku is inconclusive if you buy Limited Immeasurable speed arguments for him (which Yhwach too has) & it now depends on who's deeper into Immeasurable speed, if you don't buy Immeasurable speed arguments for both then Yhwach wins again.

Miscellaneous

Acausality Type 4 is useless without mentioned resistances + after Absorbing Mimihagi (who's future can't be seen), Yhwach can also rewrite his own future - SK Yhwach's Almighty can thus bypass Precognition Resistance (not that it matters here anyways)

About Hax Negation in both series, it's rather extremely inconsistent & doesn't apply to all haxs, unless weakness of a certain Hax

To give a few good examples, Master Roshi Mafuba worked on Base Super Goku level opponents (Massively stronger than him, Solar System Level Vs Low Complex Multiversal level) & Tsukishima's Book of End worked on Soul King Yhwach, despite again the comical Stat difference (Country level Vs Low Multiversal Level)

Some may also argue how Goku is deeper into Infinite speed than Yhwach (via SSG Goku Macrocosm encompassing Ball, Afterlife being Infinite holding Heaven, which is also infinite)

Thing is, infinite speed, no matter how deep into it, is still infinite speed only unless higher infinities (uncountable infinities) are involved.

What you're suggesting here with Infinite Afterlife holding an Infinite Universe (Heaven) - the cardinality of this particular set is just ℵ0*ℵ0.

A higher degree of Infinity would be ℵ0ℵ0.

Some may also suggest how Goku moving in Zeno erased timeline = Inaccessible Speed, which is again wrong. In erased timeline, time simply does not exist, it does not mean that time is 0, both are different things.

In Zeno's erased timeline, Time = not applicable/non-existent & hence Speed = Distance/time = Undefined & thus is non-speed applicable (best it gives you is some Limited Resistance to Time Manipulation)

Vsbw also has an explanation for this here-

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dc910ef9d232e96b275aca44972fae03

Lastly, Here's a post debunking almost all misconceptions about the Almighty-

https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/1icah6w/debunking_misconceptions_about_the_almighty/

That's it. Have a good day.